Build A Better Agency Podcast

Welcome to a compelling new episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan is joined by familiar faces Susan Baier from Audience Audit and Brian Gerstner from White Label IQ to discuss the findings of the 2025 Agency Core research study. Together, Susan and Brian have launched Agency Core, a nonprofit initiative dedicated to providing agency owners with powerful, unbiased data about what’s really going on in the agency world—and the latest results are as sobering as they are enlightening. Drew, Susan, and Brian unpack the study’s in-depth findings, based on responses from over 700 agency leaders. They explore the five distinct agency segments identified, analyzing which mindsets and practices set high-performing agencies apart from their peers. The discussion covers the recurring challenges hurting agency profitability and optimism, including the ongoing struggle with building a strong pipeline, the reality of staffing issues, and a noticeable decline in overall optimism among agency owners c

Welcome to a milestone episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan takes the mic solo to commemorate a remarkable achievement—the 500th episode of the podcast. With nearly a decade of weekly episodes under his belt, Drew reflects on the invaluable lessons that have emerged from ten years of conversations, challenges, and growth within the agency world. In this special episode, Drew distills his journey into five key lessons learned through years of podcasting and agency consulting. From recognizing that agency life is a marathon, not a sprint, to emphasizing the importance of surrounding yourself with the right team, Drew candidly addresses both the successes and the struggles that come with leading and growing a business. He offers practical wisdom on staying adaptable, celebrating milestones, and taking care of your own wellbeing—insights applicable whether you’re a new agency owner or a seasoned industry veteran. Drew also shares why having the right support system is crucial, illustrat

Welcome to another can’t-miss episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan invites negotiation expert Mike Lander to shed light on a critical, and often misunderstood, stage of growing your agency: the art of winning new business and, crucially, negotiating strong client contracts. If your agency is hustling for fresh opportunities in the midst of economic uncertainty, this discussion is perfectly timed to help you secure the deals that matter—on terms that support your profitability and long-term growth. Mike Lander brings a unique dual perspective as both a former procurement director (the “buy side”) and current advisor to agencies navigating the “sell side.” Together with Drew, he explores why so many agencies trip up after being “awarded” new business, mistaking the proposal win for the finish line when, in reality, it’s the starting point for some of the most pivotal work ahead. Mike reveals how agencies can better qualify opportunities, avoid that painful “close second” outcome, and,

Welcome to another insightful episode of Build a Better Agency! In this session, host Drew McLellan is joined by PR expert Ryan Gerding, CEO of Inc. Public Relations, to explore the evolving landscape of public relations and its crucial role in modern communication strategies. Ryan brings over two decades of experience in the PR industry, offering a comprehensive look at how the traditional boundaries of PR have expanded far beyond media relations. Together, Drew and Ryan explore the shifting dynamics of the PR world and how agencies can leverage storytelling, media relationships, and new platforms to enhance their clients' visibility and credibility. They dive into the art of building valuable relationships with media outlets and reporters, emphasizing the importance of being genuinely helpful rather than simply seeking coverage. Ryan also shares his take on the integration of AI in PR, its benefits in organizing thoughts, and its limitations when it comes to creativity—a conversation rich with practical adv

Welcome to another enlightening episode of Build a Better Agency! In this episode, host Drew McLellan delves into the nuances of effective communication, a skill vital for thriving in today's tumultuous business landscape. Joined by guest Cynthia Kane, an expert in mindful communication, they explore how to navigate conversations with clarity and calm, even amidst chaos. Cynthia shares her journey from struggling with passive-aggressive communication to mastering the art of mindful dialogue. This episode unpacks techniques to foster inner calm, which in turn enhances leadership qualities, especially crucial given the current climate of change and uncertainty. Drew and Cynthia discuss the significance of understanding and managing one's emotional and physical responses to ensure conversations lead to constructive outcomes. Listeners will gain insights on the power of pausing to regain composure during challenging interactions. Cynthia introduces practical practices like breathing exercises and self-talk adjust

Welcome to another insightful episode of Build a Better Agency! Today, host Drew McLellan returns with guest Lee McKnight from RSW to dive deep into the findings of the new 2025 Outlook report, exploring the evolving landscape of agency-client dynamics. As a key industry player, Lee brings a wealth of knowledge about the intersection of innovative trends and client expectations. In this enlightening discussion, Drew and Lee unpack the promising data from the report, which suggests an optimistic outlook for agency-client spending in the coming year. They tackle critical topics such as the enduring power of referrals, the rising significance of direct outreach, and the crucial role of consistent and targeted content in building authority and securing new business. They make it clear that agencies need to embrace these insights to tailor their strategies effectively. The pair also delve into the complex topic of competition from in-house teams and how agencies can strategically position themselves as indispensab

Welcome to another episode of Build a Better Agency! In this solo cast, host Drew McLellan takes center stage to discuss a critical topic that every agency owner should consider—broadening the concept of growth beyond the traditional metrics like headcount and gross billings. As an agency leader, you’ll gain fresh perspectives on how to leverage different growth strategies that go beyond the surface level. Drew delves into the importance of enhancing your agency's growth across various dimensions. He emphasizes the need for agencies to focus on increasing their adjusted gross income, not just through acquiring new clients but also by maximizing the potential of existing ones. Drew challenges agency owners to rethink efficiency, suggesting innovative ways to manage cost of goods and improve team structures through global talent pools and flexible work arrangements. Listeners will also be encouraged to concentrate on retaining clients and top talent, creating a stable foundation for long-term success. Drew outl

Welcome to the latest episode of Build a Better Agency! In this engaging discussion, host Drew McLellan is joined by veteran leader Jim Fielding to explore what it takes to be an authentic and effective leader in today’s ever-changing landscape. With a wealth of experience garnered from his impressive career in retail and media, including at Disney and DreamWorks, Jim sheds light on being true to oneself while navigating the complexities of leadership. Throughout the episode, Jim shares his personal journey, including the motivations behind his book "All Pride, No Ego: A Queer Executive's Journey to Living and Leading Authentically." He highlights the internal challenges and triumphs he's faced in embracing authenticity as a leader from a marginalized community. Jim offers universal advice on overcoming self-imposed barriers and being vulnerable in leadership—core themes that resonate across industries and identities. Drew and Jim delve deep into the critical aspects of managing during tumultuous times, focus

Welcome to the latest episode of Build a Better Agency! This time, host Drew McLellan is joined by leadership expert Suzanna de Baca for a thought-provoking discussion that will transform the way you think about your role within your agency. As the new year inspires fresh goals, Drew and Suzanna explore the critical element that determines an agency's success: its leadership. Suzanna, who has a fascinating career journey from Wall Street to CEO positions and is now teaching leadership at the MBA level, brings decades of insights to the table. She emphasizes that good leadership extends beyond technical skills—it's crucial in a rapidly changing world to develop emotional intelligence, strategic thinking, and communication abilities. Whether you're a seasoned agency owner or new to leadership, Suzanna's revelations will provide you with a roadmap to becoming not just effective managers but dynamic leaders. The conversation explores the difference between management and leadership. Suzanna explains that visionar

Welcome to another insightful episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan welcomes Kevin Eikenberry to the show to explore the ever-evolving landscape of leadership. Kevin, a seasoned expert in leadership and learning with over three decades of experience, shares his expertise on how flexibility and adaptability are integral to effective leadership in today's fast-paced and scattered work environments. Drew and Kevin dive into the various challenges agency leaders encounter as they adapt to a world that demands greater flexibility than ever before. They discuss the transition from traditional, rigid work environments to a more fluid and dynamic approach, where leaders must balance consistency and adaptability. Kevin underscores the significance of mindset, skillset, and habits in enhancing leadership abilities. Together, they examine the aspects of leadership that remain constant despite the changing landscape and emphasize the areas where leaders can foster growth. Kevin shares practical

Welcome to the latest episode of Build a Better Agency! Host Drew McLellan returns with an engaging conversation that every agency owner needs to hear. In this episode, Drew welcomes back returning guest Casey Brown, a pricing guru known for her unique and insightful perspective on pricing strategy and negotiation. If you’ve ever struggled with finding the right price point for your services or navigating tough client negotiations, this episode is a must-listen.  Casey, who has shared her expertise at a previous Build a Better Agency summit, delves deep into the art of pricing. She examines the common challenges agencies face, such as being pressured to lower prices or feeling concerned about client budgets. Casey sheds light on important strategies for establishing pricing integrity and confidently presenting your agency’s value. With her extensive background as a pricing consultant and experience in corporate America, her advice is both practical and transformative as you prepare for economic shifts anticip

In this episode of Build a Better Agency, Drew McLellan emphasizes the game-changing impact of one-on-one meetings and why agency owners should make them a non-negotiable part of their leadership strategy. Drawing from real-world agency experiences, Drew shares why these meetings serve as an "early warning radar system," helping leaders stay connected to their teams, strengthen workplace culture, and proactively address challenges before they escalate. Drew outlines a structured yet simple framework for these biweekly, 30-minute meetings, highlighting that they are employee-driven—meaning the team member schedules the meeting, completes a structured form in advance, and leads the conversation. He breaks down the essential components of the form, including personal and professional check-ins, growth goal tracking, and opportunities for employees to share concerns, request support, and flag internal or client-related issues. By consistently implementing these meetings, agency owners can reduce day-to-day interr

In this episode of Build a Better Agency, Drew McLellan sits down with leadership and workplace culture expert Sarah Noll Wilson to unpack one of the biggest challenges agency owners face today—building real culture and connection in a rapidly changing workplace. Drew and Sarah explore how generational shifts, post-pandemic workplace dynamics, and evolving expectations have reshaped the employer-employee relationship. They discuss why traditional leadership approaches—like assuming loyalty comes from salary or benefits alone—no longer work and how agency owners can foster genuine commitment and engagement. Sarah shares eye-opening insights on the importance of psychological safety, trust, and open communication, explaining why employees today expect to be seen, valued, and respected in ways that differ from the past. If you’ve ever felt frustrated by shifting workforce expectations, struggled to retain top talent, or wondered how to get your team to care as much as you do about the business, this conversation

Welcome to the latest episode of Build a Better Agency! In this episode, host Drew McLellan dives into a fascinating yet often overlooked topic that will have you rethinking how you present yourself professionally. Joined by expert guest Morgan Wider, Drew explores the powerful impact of wardrobe choices on your personal and professional brand. Morgan, a seasoned wardrobe stylist with a decade of corporate retail experience, shares invaluable insights on how to ensure your exterior appearance aligns with the professional image you want to project. Whether you’ve been dressing the same way for years or are looking to make a change, Morgan’s advice on intentional dressing and wardrobe curation will make you reconsider your daily attire. They’ll discuss practical tips on evaluating your current wardrobe, making intentional color choices, and infusing your outfits with personality through accessories. You'll also hear about common wardrobe mistakes and the small tweaks that can make a big difference in how you’re

In this episode of Build a Better Agency Drew McLellan talks with Tessa White, also known as the Job Doctor. Tessa has a rich background with 25 years in HR and a fascinating journey that saw her pivot from corporate life to empower individuals in the workforce, all during the turbulent times of late 2020. What started as a simple endeavor on TikTok quickly transformed into a massive platform with millions of followers and a compelling new book, “The Unspoken Truths for Career Success.” We explore the evolving dynamics of employer-employee relationships, the importance of effective communication, and how generational perspectives are reshaping the workplace. Tessa offers eye-opening strategies for building loyalty, beyond merely providing great benefits or flexible work conditions. Whether you’re an agency owner struggling with the concept of loyalty in the modern workforce or looking for innovative ways to connect with your team, this episode is packed with transformative insights. Join us as Tessa White bre

Agency book writing and publishing can seem like a daunting mountain to climb. But with the right people to help you through the process, it can be one of the best things you can do to uplevel your thought leadership efforts.  That’s why this week, I invited Shadley Grei, an agency book publishing expert and newer member of AMI, onto the show to share how agency owners can start thinking about writing their first (or next) book with the help of a ghostwriter. He shares how his agency helps other agency owners discover if their ideas are ready to become a full-fledged book, and how to start compiling it all to collaborate with a ghostwriter.  As the visionaries of the agency, we need to be always looking for the new, unspoken angles of things in the work we do, and Shadley helps agency owners share their perspectives without the pressure of having to do it alone.  If you think you might be ready to finally get your idea or vision out in writing in 2025, this episode has all the info you need to start turning t

I wanted to wait until after the holidays to talk about this topic because it’s a bit heavier than what we usually talk about on the show. But it’s something that Danyel and I have noticed weighing heavily on a lot of you since COVID, and that is agency owner grief.  It’s true that many of you have experienced quite a lot of loss and change these past few years  — with the way we work, how well our business is doing, AI, our overall productivity, and so much more. It’s a lot of change to handle, and for many of us, we haven’t taken the proper time to actually acknowledge our grief and begin to let it go.  But without taking those first steps, that grief will continue to take hold of us and affect us in all aspects of our business — and even our personal lives. Many of you report being restless, unable to focus, depressed, uninspired, feeling heavy, and burnt out. And it’s all because we’re burning the candle at both ends without taking the time to acknowledge just how much change we’ve gone through in the pas

Many agency owners feel like their clients are putting them in a box of specific skills they’re able to perform for them. And for many of us, that’s not a good feeling. We’re wired to think creatively and break free from that metaphorical box, but it can be hard to communicate that to our clients in a sea of competition. So, it’s time to break out of that box in 2025.  That means we need fresh ideas, innovative thought leadership, and non-obvious thinking. And there’s nobody better to talk to us about this than Rohit Bhargava, from Non-Obvious Company. He knows exactly what it’s like to be put in a box creatively, but he’s even better at breaking out of it.  For years, he’s taken a hold of the status quo to challenge it, question it, and ask more of it so that he can stay ahead of the conversation and shape it to better serve his clients — and his agency.  So join us to get inspired to do some fresh, non-obvious thinking in this week’s episode. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, White Label

Almost no agency owner got into the agency world for their passion for bookkeeping. And if you did — great! You’re several steps ahead of most of us. But the reality is, most of us are just happy to keep cash in the bank for payroll and probably aren’t looking at the finances as much as we should be.  Sandy Catour joined me this week to share why we should rewire this habit. Agency owners should be just as involved with the agency finances as their finance and accounting teams, and they should be in frequent communication with one another.  Without a good understanding of your cash forecast, how your money is being spent, and where you’re losing the most profit, it’s impossible to run the agency by the numbers and keep a good handle on where all your money is going.  So join us to get a realistic look at what agency owners should care about the most in the agency financial reports and what they can talk to their finance teams more openly and honestly about in 2025.   A big thank you to our podcast’s presentin

Agency growth and biz dev can feel like an uphill battle when we’re already so tired, overworked, and burnt out. But it doesn’t have to be hard or add anything extra on our already full to-do lists. In fact, it shouldn’t be difficult at all.  Tori Boats joined me this week to help close out the year on a high note and show us that setting our agencies up for exponential growth in 2025 doesn’t have to be tough — and it can even be fun.  If you’re feeling that end of the year slump, this episode should inspire you to rediscover that creative spark that motivated you to start an agency in the first place. No worrying about what’s profitable or competitive — just pure creative and visionary ideations that will give you the fresh thinking you need to start off 2025 on the right foot.  A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) fo