Martin Shipton Meets...

Former Cardiff Central MP Jon Owen Jones speaks about the lack of scrutiny in devolved Wales.He tells Martin of life in pre-devolution politics and his time spent as a junior minister at the Welsh Office.He also recalls the Alun Michael and Rhodri Morgan row, and the reasons behind the demise of the Forestry Commission, which he chaired until 2013. For information regarding your data privacy, visit acast.com/privacy